[html4all] If attribute X is dropped ... (@profile etc)

[Steven Faulkner]

Hi leif, i picked up the same thing from what Dan said.

I have also been musing on the subject. If attributes are dropped in
HTML5 that are useful for accessibility, accessibility advocates will
be forced to either not recommend the use of HTML5 in cases where
these attributes are needed or forced to recommed the use of
non-conforming code in HTML5.

regards
stevef

2008/8/25 Leif Halvard Silli <lhs at malform.no>:
> If @profile is dropped, then simply breaking the HTML 5 standard, or
> using another standard is some of the things which the (until recently)
> Working Group Chair Dan see as possibilities [1]:
>> Possibilities I see include:
>> * GRDDL implementations add support for rel="profile" along with HTML
>> 5 concrete syntax.
>> * GRDDL implementors don't change their code, so people who want to
>> use GRDDL with HTML 5 features such as <video> stick to XML-wf-happy
>> HTML 5 syntax and they use the head/@profile attribute anyway, despite
>> what the HTML 5 spec says.
>> * People who want to use GRDDL stick to XHTML 1.x.
>> * People who want to put data in their HTML documents use RDFa.
>>
>> I don't particularly care for the rel="profile" design, but one should
>> choose ones battles and I'm not inclined to choose this one. I'm
>> content for the market to choose.
>
> When *he* mentions breaking the standard/using another one, then it is
> quite telling.
>
> Compare what Ian told Laura recently [2]:
>
>>> Use the tools/services and let them be nonconforming.
>>
>
>> It makes no sense for the specification to advise someone to not
>> conform to the specification. [...] If something is not allowed, then
>> it should never be done.
>
>
> When the (former) Working Group Chair is saying that "there is also the
> option to not be conforming to the standard", then I feel tempted to use
> Ian's words as argument for keeping @profile.
>
> I hope you see some quite obvious links to the accessibility attributes
> in the above. Hence let us support @profile in the Working Group. (I had
> the impression from the Telcon minutes that the WG will be asked to make
> a decision on @profile soon.)
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/08/the_details_of_data_in_documen.html
> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Aug/0611.html
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Steve Faulkner
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